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Sinica Podcast

Harvard’s William Overholt on Esquel, cotton sanctions, and forced Uyghur labor

Sinica Podcast

Kaiser Kuo

Culture, China News, Hangzhou, Chinese, International Relations, Chongqing, Beijing, Sichuan, Currentaffairs, China, Politics, Chengdu, Shanghai, Guangzhou, China Economy, News, China Politics, Business, Film, Shenzhen

4.8676 Ratings

🗓️ 26 August 2021

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

This week on Sinica, Kaiser chats with William (Bill) Overholt, senior research fellow at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government and a veteran China-watcher whose career has run the gamut from investment banking to academia to the leading think tanks. Bill recently weighed in on the U.S. Department of Commerce’s decision to place Esquel, a leading textile manufacturer headquartered in Hong Kong, on its entity list of companies alleged to be using forced labor from Xinjiang, lamenting that “it’s quite possible that the U.S. government has imposed sanctions on the world’s most socially responsible company and one that has been particularly beneficial to the Uyghurs.” Bill also discusses recent essays on other problems in American China policy.

7:17: First impressions of Esquel, its technology, and its working conditions for Uyghurs

21:47: Targeted sanctions vs. blanket sanctions

35:06: Lack of China expertise in the highest ranks of the Biden administration’s foreign policy team

44:43: Why the United States should return to an economic strategy

A transcript of this episode is available on SupChina.com.

Recommendations:

Bill: Newsletters and podcasts from SupChina; articles from The Wire China; and the article “The Chinese Debt Trap is a Myth” published in The Atlantic, by Deborah Brautigam and Meg Rithmire.

Kaiser: The novel The Lions of al-Rassan, by Guy Gavriel Kay.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Cynical podcast, the week of the discussion of current affairs in China, produced in partnership with SUPChina.

0:15.0

Subscribe to SubChina's Daily Access Newsletter to keep on top of all the latest news from China from hundreds of different news sources or check out all the original writing on the site at sup china.com including

0:25.1

reported stories, editorials, and regular columns, as well as a growing library of videos

0:30.2

and, of course, podcasts.

0:32.0

We cover everything from China's fraught foreign relations to its ingenious entrepreneurs,

0:36.7

from the ongoing repression of Uyghurs and other Muslim people in China's Xinught foreign relations to its ingenious entrepreneurs, from the ongoing repression of

0:38.2

Uyghurs and other Muslim people in China's Xinjiang region to China's ambitious effort to

0:43.0

eliminate poverty.

0:44.5

It's a feast of business, political, and cultural news about a nation that is reshaping the world.

0:50.6

We cover China with neither fear nor favor.

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I'm Kaisu Guo, coming to you from my home in

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Chapel Hill, North Carolina. It's quite possible, my guest today recently wrote, that the U.S.

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government has imposed sanctions on the world's most socially responsible company and one that has

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been particularly beneficial to the Uyghurs. The company in question is Esquel, the world's largest manufacturer of woven shirts,

1:15.2

which found its Xinjiang-based subsidiary, Changzhi Esquil Textile Company Limited,

1:20.1

on a U.S. entity list a little over a year ago.

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At the time, it strongly denied that it was using forced labor, U.S.

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in its supply chain.

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The potential damage to the company went beyond the loss of its biggest export market, the U.S.

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It also suffered immediate reputational damage as an excellent piece by Katrina Northrop in The Wire reported.

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That piece is titled Hemmed In, and while Esquel declined to be

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interviewed for it, it is nonetheless a terrific story that focuses on the remarkable woman who

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