Welcome to Hard Talk. I'm Stephen Sacker. This program began in 1997, and as you may know, it is coming to an end at the end of this month.

So today, we're going to look back at some of our memorable guests from the early years before my time in this studio.

It is an extraordinary archive featuring presenters Tim Sebastian and the late

George Allagaya. We hope you enjoy it. Generally, you have to shake things up pretty much in order

to do something of consequence. The fact that I was sent to take for life, and I spent it

27 years there, these are things which affected me

collectively and individually, and that they are my personal experiences. How about the party?

There were moments of, you know, fun and joy, and I'm not going to say, I wouldn't have done it for

five years or whatever, but what's finally sobered me up was the idea of having a child.

I need a cigarette.

You're making me hot.

Can I have a light, please?

I think it's very important to remind people that these things are happening,

that they are bad, and that the more you show just what's

happening, the more everybody can say, whether they've been near a war or not, they can

recognise that war is a perfectly terrible, cruel thing. Tim Sebastian travelled to New York to visit

the then-business mogul, Donald Trump Trump in 1998. You have to be a killer in business? I think you have to be smart in business. I don't think you have to be a killer. I think you have to be smart. Does that mean eyes in the back of your head, always looking to see who's going to get you, who's trying to pull one off, a fast one on you?

Well, one of the things I say in the book, and I say very strongly, is you have to be paranoid.

There is a certain advantage to having a certain degree of paranoia.

You watch, you can be a little bit careful, you watch what's happening behind your back,

and I think that's probably very true in

business. You're talking in your book about getting even, the importance of getting even.

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