Hey everyone. This is Jonathan Cape Hard and welcome to Cape Up. If you know

Chris Matthews, you know the anchor of MS NBC's Hardball reveres the Kennedies.

His latest book is Bobby Kennedy, a raging spirit, and in it he explores the man who was considered

a runt by the Kennedy Patriarch, but who Chris argues was the force behind his brother,

President John F. Kennedy.

So who was Bobby Kennedy?

Find out right now.

Chris Matthews, thank you very much for being on the podcast.

This is really special for me.

Jonathan, you're a gentleman, and I assume a scholar, just kidding. You know, it's great to have you on this show because you always come to play and you're always up

Is that good word? I leave it to you up I think it's showtime for you and I think it is for all of us when you show up.

Well thank you very much Chris but it's show time for you right now because we're here to talk about your

eighth book Bobby a raging spirit. 8th book, Bobby, A Raging Spirit. Where on earth do you find the time to write books and not just you know throwaway books.

I risk the divorce is what I did.

Because my wife said, you know, when I started this,

she said, you promised no more because it's a direct take from life. I mean you work like you do 50

60 hours a week it comes down to the stuff you have to do prepare every day and

everything's preparation it's reading the papers and thoroughly it's

getting your head around it's talking to people about ideas it's some reporting it's

all time-consuming and it's great but it does take as I said 50 to 60 hours at least

and then you got to find the rest of the time so the rest time you're

eating sleeping having family time

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