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Hard Truths: The fight on Mauna Kea

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🗓️ 17 July 2021

⏱️ 12 minutes

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On our latest installment of our Hard Truths series, we go inside the fight to build a $2.4 billion telescope on the highest mountaintop in Hawai'i. For astronomers it would mean the chance to answer deep questions about the universe. But for indigenous Hawai'ians, it would mean the desecration of sacred land. Guests: Aurora Kagawa-Viviani, post-doctoral researcher and scientist at UH-Hilo Hawaii Cooperative studies unit at the University of Hawai'i Hilo and Axios' Miriam Kramer. Credits: "Axios Today" is brought to you by Axios and Pushkin Industries. This episode was produced by Nuria Marquez Martinez and edited by Alexandra Botti. Alex Sugiura is our sound engineer. Dan Bobkoff is our executive producer. Special thanks to Axios space editor Miriam Kramer, Executive Editor Sara Kehaulani Goo, and Hard Truths Editor Michele Salcedo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Good morning. I'm Nyla Budu. We're here with you on a Saturday with the latest

0:06.8

episode in our special monthly series called Hard Truths, examining systemic

0:11.3

racism in the U.S. Today, inside the fight to build a 2.4 billion dollar telescope

0:18.1

on the highest mountain in Hawaii. For astronomers, it would mean the chance to

0:23.0

answer deep questions about the universe. Scientists see this site as a perfect

0:28.6

scientific place for them to be. For indigenous Hawaiians, it would mean the

0:34.1

desecration of sacred land. Building a massive structure and monarchy is not

0:39.2

something that aligns with my beliefs. More than a thousand years ago,

0:46.6

Polynesians looked to the sky in the stars to find their way. Without any

0:51.0

instruments or maps, those stars eventually led them to Mount Akeia on the

0:55.2

islands of Hawaii. At almost 14,000 feet above sea level, the dormant volcano is

1:01.2

the highest point in the state of Hawaii, which makes it a coveted place for

1:05.4

astronomers. But it's also a deeply sacred place for native Hawaiians. They see

1:11.0

the mountain as the place where the earth meets the sky and the point where

1:14.6

the islands of Hawaii formed. There are also already 13 telescopes on

1:19.2

Mount Akeia, three of which are in the process of being decommissioned. Astronomers

1:24.1

have been trying to build this new 30-meter telescope on the mountain since

1:27.6

2014. The opposition from indigenous Hawaiians isn't just spiritual. It's also

1:33.4

about what they see as the continued disrespect of their lands and their

1:37.4

concerns. In this case, in the name of a massive telescope that they say won't

1:42.5

benefit them in any tangible way. And many native Hawaiians take issue with the

1:47.4

way the debate over building the telescope has been framed as science versus

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