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and supporting sponsor at Lassian. Well, Casey, we are still on our annual summer vacation, and can you believe there is yet more

amazing stuff from Hard Fork Live that we have not shared with our podcast listeners.

There is, in particular, we had a really fun discussion at the event between Daniel Kokatelo and

Syash Kapoor, who have somewhat different views of how fast the AI conversation is going to go. We've heard them debate before. We wanted to sort of have an updated discussion with them now that it's been getting close to a year since the last time they had it. So I think you'll really enjoy hearing what they have to say about that. We also had the great podcaster, Dwarkesh Patel, stopped by and hanging

us with a bit. Tell us a little bit about what is on his mind. And just to round it out, we took

some live Q&A and heard what was on the minds of our audience after a spectacular hard forked

too. So these are all conversations that I would classify in sort of the same bucket of like

insider sense making, people who are deeply enmeshed in the AI scene in San Francisco,

trying to understand and explain what is going on, the pace of progress, the trajectory of these models to the outside world.

And Syash Daniel and Dwarkesh are among the three most gifted people I have ever heard,

try to explain this stuff to an outside world that doesn't always know exactly what's going on.

It's a great set of conversations. We think you'll really enjoy it.

This is our final installment of our episodes from Hard Fork Live 2.

We will be back in two weeks to our regularly scheduled hard fork programming. In the meantime,

enjoy your summer. Wear sunscreen.

So this next segment I am so excited for because we're going to have a conversation with two people who have very different views about how AI is going right now.

Yes, we have Daniel Kokatelo with us tonight.

He is the co-author of AI 2027, a report that many of you, I'm sure, have read.

This came out in 2025 and laid out a vivid scenario or account

of how AI could fundamentally upend the world, achieving tasks like autonomous coding and R&D.

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