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Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us, above us only sky.

Imagine all the people living for today.

Hello, I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor.

Welcome to Free Thought Radio and Happy New Year.

This is the first show of 26, and Free Thought Radio is entering our 20th year. Our 20th year of broadcasting and podcasting. If you're a regular listener,

thank you. And to everyone listening, welcome to radio and podcasting for the rest of us.

Actually, we'll be ending our 20th year. Pretty soon we'll be entering our 21st year.

I'm Dan Barker. Annie Laurie and I are co-presidents of the

Freedom from Religion Foundation, and this is the January 8th, 2026 episode. We're recording in the

Stephen Ull-friendly atheist studio in Freethought Hall, which is our national headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin.

FreeThought Radio is the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

emphasis on from, and FFRF has two purposes to keep freedom from religion in our government

and to represent those of us who are personally free from religion

so that reason and our secular constitution will prevail. If you are a member of FFRF, thank you.

And if not, please check us out at our website, ffruf.org slash join and become a member. Start the new year out with a free-thinking note,

and you will not regret it. When most Muslims leave Islam, they keep their heads down to

avoid reprisal, but not all of them. Today's guest in the second half of the show is an ex-Muslim

artivist. That's the word artist combined with the word activist called Haram

Doodles, who uses art to express dissent against the strictures of Islam. Haram, of course,

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