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Guys, you're listening to episode number 162 with my friend Ellie Holcomb.

Ellie lives in Nashville with her husband Drew and their two kids.

She is a songwriter and a musician and her newest album, Red Sea Road, is literally on repeat at the Ivy House.

Today on the show, we talked about marriage and counseling and going through some really hard times.

Here's something Ellie said that I think you're gonna love.

That hardest time where the soil was tilled up so much, it laid the groundwork for like flourishing.

I mean just flourishing.

You're gonna be encouraged through this conversation no matter who you are or what stage of life you're in.

Our context was marriage but goodness gracious, no matter who you are, you are gonna relate to her and mine too.

Who am I kidding? My need to avoid conflict.

Ellie and I have a very real and vulnerable conversation about depression.

Although I personally have never struggled with depression, I have friends who have and let me tell you,

Ellie will speak to you no matter where you are right now.

If you are struggling or if you are walking with a friend who is struggling.

Of course I asked her what is like at her house with two traveling musicians and we both agree that there is no such thing as balance.

It is a lie.

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