Hey friends and welcome to the Happy Hour Jamie Ivy Podcast. I'm your host Jamie and

I'm so excited that you're here. Every week I invite a girlfriend to join me on the

show and we chat about the big things in life, the little things in life and everything

in between. Before we get to our show today with Sally, I want to think one of our partners

for today and that is EM Jolary Design. After graduating with the BFA in Jolary Design

and Metal Smithing from Texas Tech University, Ellen Moe found a job working for a Jolary

Designer in Portland, Oregon. However, when her husband's job led them to Waco, Texas,

it became clear to her that if she wanted to continue working in the Jolary industry, she

was going to have to do it on her own. Ellen started EM Jolary Design in the fall of

2015 and has since launched her original pieces on her webpage, EMjolarydesign.com. And

she's been featured in the Magnolia Journal as one of Joanna Gaines' gift guide picks.

Ellen's heart behind her work is to encourage, inspire and empower women to pursue their

own God-given passions. I love that she took something where she had to make up her own

decisions and make her own company and now she's rocking it. Way to go, Ellen. Right

now, Ellen is offering 10% for you listeners on your next purchase. Just use the code Happy

Hour. That's EMjolarydesign.com. Okay, friends, you are listening to episode number 127.

And my guest today is Sally Clarkson. Sally has written numerous books on mothering and

her most recent book is called Different, the story of an outside-the-box kid and the

mother who loved him. She co-authored this book with her son Nathan. And in this book,

they are both vulnerable and transparent on all levels with you all as a reader. I read

the book this fall and I devoured it. I really, really did. I loved her honesty and as a

mama who parent outside the box kids. Which really guys, don't we all have outside-the-box

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