Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast that gives you ideas and strategies for living

a happier life.

I'm Gritchin Rubin, a writer who is usually in New York City, but today I'm in Los Angeles,

standing in the closet of my sister of the sage, Elizabeth Kraut.

I'm both thrilled to see Gritchin, who's here for her better than before, book tour and

slightly apprehensive for reasons that will very quickly become clear.

Yes, Elizabeth is my habits guinea pig and one might conclude innocent bystander because

today we are going to clean out her closet, which I have to say is one of my very favorite

things that we do and we're together is clean out her closets and she is an incredibly

good sport to be doing this.

Not only because every time I come to her apartment I insist on cleaning her closets,

but also that with us is Andy Bowers and Mike, who's doing the sound.

We have four people standing in the list of this bedroom.

We are about to enter her closet.

And I'll just bring up Gritchin that this is not a dire situation, although it's needed.

We've done this before when I was moving apartments.

Gritchin had to come out to an emergency trip from New York because to get me to move,

I had so much stuff.

I was completely out of control and I'll let you say sort of where that went.

Well, I mean, a highlight of that clutter clearing was when we were just about done, we thought

and I opened up the oven and discovered that Elizabeth had crammed the oven full of

completely like this strange, hodgepodge of stuff.

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