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The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

Happier Parents, Happier Kids Pt 1: Your Child Isn't a VIP or a Fragile Vase

The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

Pushkin Industries

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.714.6K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2022

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Rosy had a packed schedule of lunches, meet-ups and activities - and she was only three. Mom Michaeleen Doucleff felt she couldn't waste a second of her daughter's time. Rosy needed to be constantly lectured and stimulated if she was going to reach the Ivy League.

This style of parenting was exhausting both mother and daughter, until Michaeleen found that not everyone approaches child-rearing in this way. She tells Dr Laurie Santos how she forged a happier and more relaxed relationship with Rosy - that benefited them both.

Formed Stanford dean Julie Lythcott-Haims explores how "overparenting" has taken hold in recent decades and why it needs to be challenged.

Further reading:

Michaeleen Doucleff - Hunt, Gather, Parent: What Ancient Cultures Can Teach Us About the Lost Art of Raising Happy Helpful Humans.

Malcolm Harris - Kids These Days: Human Capital and the Making of Millennials

Julie Lythcott-Haims - How to Raise an Adult: Break Free of the Overparenting Trap and Prepare Your Kid for Success.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

I really thought parenting was what I saw on Facebook. I mean, it sounds really embarrassing

0:17.5

for me to say that.

0:18.9

Like many expectant parents, journalist Michaeline Dukeleff had some rather idealized notions

0:23.6

of motherhood. Like I saw the pictures of the babies and heard about moms snuggling

0:28.5

and having this, you know, incredibly romantic version of what a mom is doing. And so that

0:34.2

was what I envisioned.

0:35.7

Michaeline wanted to be the perfect mom, making sure she gave her kids all the opportunities

0:40.2

she didn't have growing up.

0:41.8

This was my opportunity to like create the person that I wish I had been. I could have

0:46.6

gone to Harvard or Yale and, you know, I'm going to create this child that could do that.

0:50.8

I also thought that like I just instinctually would know how to parent.

0:55.3

But when Michaeline and her husband finally had their baby Rosie, the reality wasn't quite

1:00.0

what she had envisioned.

1:01.3

Oh my gosh, the fantasy crumbled very quickly.

1:04.5

So Rosie's a very intelligent kid. I don't want to like throw it under the bus. She is smart

1:09.6

and funny and really strong, but she's also super like strong willed.

1:14.6

Rosie also cried a lot, which terrified her parents. They just couldn't figure out what they

1:19.8

were doing wrong.

1:20.8

My husband said to the pediatrician, you know, if she's not eating or sleeping, she's

1:23.9

crying. And the pediatrician kind of laughed and was like, well, that's a baby.

1:28.3

Somehow Michaeline and her husband powered through Rosie's early years. By the time she

1:32.4

was to all that emotion turned into tantrums and she was having just lots of tantrums, like

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