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This Jungian Life Podcast

Hansel and Gretel: Overcoming Trauma

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Jungian, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Dreams, Jung, Relationships, Selfhelp, Society & Culture, Psychoanalysis

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Fairy tales are fierce narratives of human shadow and its transformation. Hansel and Gretel depicts raw childhood trauma: parents abandon their children in the forest in order to feed themselves. Then the children discover a magical, edible cottage, only to be entrapped by a cannibalistic witch. Everyone is starving, a metaphor for psychic insufficiency. The children’s loyalty to one another gives rise to strategy and bravery, yielding riches and redemption—the reward for engaging danger with valor. Marie-Louise von Franz, one of Jung’s closest collaborators, recognized that fairy tales are maps of everyone’s unconscious. This tale invites us to consider how we handle our internal hungers. What might we be starving for? Have we abandoned inner children to the wilderness of the unconscious? Does a witch within threaten to devour tender potential? Or can we, like Hansel and Gretel, rise above our primal forest with consciousness and courage and find the treasure of wholeness?

Here's the dream we analyze:

“I’m on an ocean beach looking out to my one-room house that juts out on a dock above where the waves break. The house could use some work and a coat of paint, but there’s a feeling of pride as I gaze over it. I look down and notice I’m wearing a peasant dress, which is not at all my style and better suited for a little girl. A craggy cliff looms to the left side of the beach. From around the cliff, two sea monsters appear swimming, nearing my house on the water. I wasn’t afraid of them, but watched them calmly. As they approach, they begin to rock the walls of the house, and I continue to watch powerlessly as they wrest it from its dock and tear it out to sea. The sea monsters retreat over the horizon and the house begins to sink. I am then inland but not far from the beach, at a pub in a seaside town. I see my parents in a booth, engaged in a fiddle contest. They are my parents, I know this to be sure, but they are monstrous apparitions, soft as puppets and with frightfully large heads. I try to tell them about my house and that it is gone, expecting some kind of comfort or perhaps an invitation to stay with them. They glance my way but they don’t acknowledge me or that I’m in distress. The fiddle contest goes on uninterrupted. The barkeep tells me that if I’m not there for the fiddle contest, then I will have to leave. The dream ends as I struggle to breathe.”

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Transcript

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0:00.0

We are very excited and pleased to announce a new program being put on by the Philadelphia Association of Jungian Analysts.

0:10.0

And this is an advanced clinical practice program, and we will put a link to all the information in the show notes if you're interested.

0:21.2

This is a program for clinicians who are licensed and have at least five years of experience.

0:28.3

It'll be limited to eight participants beginning in the fall and it will be virtual.

0:35.7

And we'll meet four times for four hours and then, of course, the spring semester.

0:40.4

And it is for clinicians who are interested in applying Jungian ideas, concepts, and theory,

0:49.9

two specific clinical cases so that we can see what it looks like in vivo in action.

0:58.5

So it's a lot of thought and planning has gone into it.

1:02.1

If you're interested, click on the link and find out more.

1:07.3

Welcome to this Jungian life.

1:09.8

Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marchiano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee, invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.

1:25.0

I'm Lisa Marchiano, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia.

1:29.0

I'm Joseph Lee, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

1:33.5

I'm Deborah Stewart, a Jungian analyst, on Cape Cod.

1:58.9

Today, we are going to wander into the forest, a significant image in fairy tales, and examine, read, and explore a classic fairy tale that has so much in it.

2:03.0

You all know the story, and we're going to read it to you again,

2:13.1

Hansel and Gretel. So let's follow the pebbles and into the woods. Hansel and Gretel.

2:18.3

A poor woodcutter lived on the edge of a large forest. He didn't have a bite to eat,

2:22.8

and barely provided the daily bread for his wife and two children, Hansel and Gretel.

2:27.8

It reached a point where he couldn't even provide that anymore. Indeed, he didn't know how to solve this predicament. One night, as he was tossing and turning in bed because of his worries,

2:32.7

his wife said to him,

2:38.7

Listen to me, husband, early tomorrow morning, you're to take both the children and give them each a piece of bread,

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