Hang Up | Apple’s Soccer Shakeup

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🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Hosts Alex Kirshner, Lindsay Gibbs, and Ben Lindbergh speak with the Athletic’s Paul Tenorio on why Apple TV and MLS revised their deal and removed the paywall for viewers. They’re then joined by Massachusetts state senator John Keenan about his proposal to regulate online sports betting and why he’s changed his views on the issue. Finally, they wrap with a discussion of Connor Bedard and Macklin Celebrini, the young hockey phenoms leading the NHL in scoring. Lindsay has an Afterball on the one New York team that is actually good: Gotham FC. On the bonus episode available exclusively for Slate Plus members, the panel discusses the abysmal football on display from both the New York Jets and Giants. Apple and MLS (6:00): Tear down the wall Regulating Big Gaming (25:41): Mass. state senator John Keenan wants to rein in sports betting Hockey’s Young Guns (51:36): Shooting it out for the Art Ross trophy Afterballs (1:07:04): The Bats win it (Note: time codes are only accurate for Slate Plus members, who listen ad-free.) Get more Hang Up and Listen with Slate Plus! Join for weekly bonus episodes of Hang Up and Listen and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Hang Up and Listen show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or visit slate.com/hangupplus for access wherever you listen. You can email us at [email protected]. Podcast production and editing by Kevin Bendis, with production assistance from Patrick Fort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	It is Monday, November 24th, 2025. Hope you're off to a great start to your holiday week.
0:12.5	Welcome back to Hang Up and Listen, the sports podcast here at Slate. Back with you again. I'm Alex Kersner.
0:17.3	I'm a contributing writer for Slate, and I co-host Split Zone Duo, a national college football podcast.
0:22.6	This week we've got a substantial show for you.
0:25.6	We're going to start by welcoming Paul Tenorio, a senior reporter covering soccer for the athletic.
0:30.6	Paul is going to take us through a reshuffled deal between Major League Soccer and the most ubiquitous technology company in the world, perhaps, Apple,
0:38.5	is all well there in that relationship we're going to learn together.
0:41.8	Sports betting is everywhere, and one of the legislators who made it legal in the Commonwealth
0:45.6	of Massachusetts has had intense second thoughts about it.
0:49.1	We're going to talk to him about why he is trying to undo some of what he once voted to allow.
0:54.5	And we'll talk about a breakthrough of some new superstars in hockey,
0:57.9	who took a little while to get chugging but have now taken the NHL by storm in the new season.
1:02.3	We're going to talk Macklin Celebrini and Connor Bedard.
1:05.4	As usual, with me this week is Lindsay Gibbs,
1:07.6	Women's Sports Lead at CBS Sports and the publisher of Powerplace, a newsletter covering the key stories of the moment in women's athletics. Lindsay, how are you? How is your weekend? It was good. I feel like we all owe Shadur Sanders a little mea culpa here after last week. No, we're holding. We are holding our position. We are? I don't like these are the royal be there, Alex.
1:29.7	I'm caving immediately.
1:30.9	I'm moderating my position slightly.
1:33.2	Just, you know, we talked about his woeful debut for the Browns last week in our bonus segment.
1:38.6	And what we didn't know when we recorded that segment was that his home had been burglarized during the game to make matters
1:45.3	worse, a crossover of hang-up segments because we covered the wave of athlete burglary release as
1:51.3	well. But he did get his first start. And we said last week, you know, maybe if he actually
1:56.4	practices with the people he'll be playing with, that might help. And perhaps it did because he won his first start.
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