Hang Up and Listen - The Mavericks' Meltdown
Hang Up and Listen
Joel Meyer
4.6 • 986 Ratings
🗓️ 18 November 2025
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
Hosts Alex Kirshner, Lindsay Gibbs, and Ben Lindbergh speak with Yahoo Sports writer Dan Devine about the fallout from the Luka Dončić trade and the subsequent sacking of GM Nico Harrison in Dallas. Then Slate’s Nitish Pahwa joins to unpack the latest dispute between Disney and YouTube TV and what it means for the future of sports streaming. Finally, the Ringer’s Danny Chau stops by to discuss Victor Wembanyama’s breakout season and whether this could be the year he carries the Spurs back to the playoffs.
On the bonus episode available exclusively for Slate Plus members, the panel discusses Shedeur Sanders' far-from-stellar NFL debut.
Nico Harrison gets the boot (3:02): The Dallas collapse is complete
Disney vs. YouTube (26:12): What was behind the recent clash of the streamers
Wemby (42:52): The rise of the unguardable?
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| 0:00.0 | It is Monday, November 17th, 2025. |
| 0:10.0 | Welcome back to Hang Up and Listen, the sports podcast here at Slate. |
| 0:12.9 | Back with you again this week. |
| 0:14.1 | I'm Alex Kirshner. |
| 0:15.2 | I'm a contributing writer for Slate, and I also co-host the college football podcast, |
| 0:19.1 | Split Zone Duo. |
| 0:20.4 | We have a big show for you this week with three, yes, three great guests coming aboard. It's a little bit more basketball-hyver than usual, but I think you'll enjoy it, and it'll touch on some key sports business dynamics as well. We're going to talk about the firing of the Dallas Mavericks general manager, Nico Harrison, who made such a mess of this franchise that even if you're not a basketball |
| 0:37.7 | fan, I think you'll be fascinated by his downfall, as it will be explained to us by Yahoo! |
| 0:42.0 | Sports's Dan Devine. |
| 0:44.1 | We will talk with Slate staff writer Natish Pawah about a now-ended 15-day standoff between |
| 0:49.1 | Google and Disney over the future of television and sports television in particular, and we'll talk with the ringers Danny Chow about the emergence of Victor Wenban Yama, |
| 0:58.1 | who's gone from excellent, promising young player to a clear-cut superstar who could burn down the entire NBA. |
| 1:04.0 | As usual, with me this week for all of it, is Lindsay Gibbs, |
| 1:06.9 | women's sports lead at CBS Sports and the publisher of PowerPlays. |
| 1:10.3 | Lindsay, how are you? |
| 1:11.8 | Doing good. |
| 1:12.5 | Had a rough weekend, but Bryce Young threw for over 450 yards. |
| 1:17.3 | I didn't get to watch it, but apparently it's true. |
| 1:20.3 | And I got to see TCUNC State, a top 20 matchup in women's basketball. |
| 1:26.1 | So things could be way worse, you know. |
| 1:28.6 | Carolina Panthers seem like they're winning a lot of games still. That's six. It's six. They have a better record than the Kansas City Chiefs. Some would say. That's a true. It's, it's, it's a just, it's just a fact. Indisputable. |
| 1:41.6 | It's in the general. |
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