The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hi, this is Josh Levine, and this is Slate's sports podcast, Hang Up and Listen for the week of November 28th, 2016.

On this week's show, we're going to talk about Ohio State's overtime went over Michigan, the drama therein, and the joy and sadness of college football rivalries.

We'll also talk about U.S. soccer's decision to dump Yergen Clemsman and to replace him with Bruce Arena, the coach who led the U.S. team at the 2002 and 2006 World Cups.

And Oliver Rader of 538 will join us to discuss the World Chess Championship match between

Norway's Magnus Carlson and Russia's Sergei Karyakin.

Joining me is Stefan Fatsis, author of the book's Word Freak and A Few Seconds of Panic.

Hello, Stefan.

Joining you in Washington.

All right. Are we hiding our location? We're in a secret location, the slate bunker. I kind of tweak these every week, and sometimes I forget to add back in the standard.

I had written congratulations on not missing an extra point on Sunday, Stefan.

Thank you. Should I just say that every week? Yeah. Still didn't miss an extra point. Still perfect. Joining us, as always from New York is Mike Pesca, the host of Slate's Daily podcast. The Gist. Hello, Mike. Hello. Congratulations me on holding everyone on the offensive line to get a safety to run out the clock. So I don't know if that's whimsy.

You guys were tossing around some, I feel like the definition of whimsy is always loose and

flexible in a fun and happy way.

Yeah, it's a whimsical definition.

It would be weird to have a staunch whimsy definition.

But it can get stretched to just mean things that happened that I enjoy, which I feel. Which is okay. You have a problem with that? I do. That looked like something out of the Marx Brothers football movie. That was awesome. That was whimsical. It depends on the scoring. If you use Enter the Gladys. Correct. I was just going to say. Yeah, if you use Spike Jones, then no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah.

Yeah, but bum, then it's sad.

So whimsy was the Bears wide receiver dropping the ball and then kicking it and then having the kicked ball go directly into a security guard's butt.

That's whimsy. There's no debating it. That's a pure 10.0. The East Germans think that's whimsy.

This other stuff, it's up to your individual perception. The thing that I thought was funny

about that Ravens holding play is that according to the rules, there's nothing the refs can do about it.

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