Jason Hammer is here. Hello, hello, hello. Is this a little Varuk assaults? I hear from DJ Kev back there. That is volcano girls. Is this what this is? Oh, yeah, he did it for me in my 90s alternative stuff. Yeah, I was keeping up dual in mind.

Based loosely on your college weekends and months, the volcano girls. The chicks from Varuk assault. Haas now. I don't think they would be interested in dude like me, but you're number one. Yeah, I don't know if they play on the same team. No, they don't like the same thing. I got you. Now I see where you're going with that. It is the Kettle Casey show Casey's out today. Dual in for Casey. So a bill and I had a little powwow here earlier in the hour about Jefferson Strieve. The plan.

That he put out last week, the public safety plan. Really blew up in his face, especially the area on guns. Now they reached out. I'm hoping we're going to have him on the show. They responded to you. We had our executive producer Matt send the Shrieve camp a message and say, Hey, we've got a spot for you here on afternoon drive. There's a dude that actually lives in Indianapolis. They would like to speak with you. Crickets. I think you can still hear the crickets. I don't know why they like me so much because usually I'm the mean one that people don't want to talk to. It's like that movie where Dan Acroix

and John Belushi flipped roles were Belushi played the straight guy and Acroix was the wacky guy. But it totally bombed at the box office. But like this is the one where I'm kind of like the calm guy and you're the wild off the rails guy. Yeah, it's it's interesting. So Abdul, let me ask you this. We've got you in the studio here. One of the things that I have been getting from a ton of listeners is that they feel like they wasted their vote in the primary on Jefferson Strieve because they did not think he was going to do this.

In regards to the second amendment, would you have done the same thing? I've done things a little bit differently. Like how? Like said, because back in when I announced back in old guys, like a fish like in February, I think it was we put out our public safety proposal, public safety director. No work with the work with groups. But there's all good stuff. It was all good. So we we definitely stayed away from the gun issue in the sense that we don't want to do anything to to trample on the rights of legally of a gunner who's who's who's

to exercise his responsible second amendment. Right. So I mean, take a dude like me because I conceal I carry when I walk around downtown Indianapolis, I live here. I've never been arrested. I pay my taxes. I'm a pretty decent family guy. Yeah. See, people have the problem. People like you are not the problem. You're you're not the bad guy. So when I saw Jefferson's proposal about, you know, permits to get rid of those carry. Like, first of all, even if you believed it as a Republican, right in Marin County, why would you do that? Because at the end of the day,

politics has always been about addition, not subtraction. Here's the point. No, almost on here. So the issue is, how do you address the illegal gun issue? While getting those voters who may be on the fence or upset about hawks, but still keeping your base in line. And like I said, I don't necessarily think that the strategy they picked on the on the gun issue is the one that I would have chosen. So here's the question for you, because let's assume they come in on a Wednesday. And he's always been a guy I was worried he showed up here before. But, you know, I think they they want to address this issue.

Is there anything he can say to you at this point that you will say, okay, I'm willing to listen again. Or are you? It's like, like, there's nothing Eric Holcomb's going to say to me that I'm going to go, oh, I'm really, I'm really curious about what you have to say. I think with that, that ship has sailed. Where are you at? What, what could he do? Because there's a lot of people who are you, who if he comes on the show, he's going to be talking to. And I don't know if I can answer that question because right now I'm prepared to leave the damn thing blank. And I can't believe that because I hate Joe Hawks.

He hates a strong word, right? Hate really is a powerful word. Capital H, capital A, capital T, capital E. I hate Joe Hawks set for what he's done to the city. The way that he talks about the police in a public forum. Because a lot of people will say, well, Joe Hawks set actually supports the police in private. But then he throws them under the bus publicly. And that changes the perception of the police department. That's something losers do. This city struggles under him. So to answer your question, it's almost like the way

the FCC views pornography. I'll know it when I see it. I'll have to hear something because what he did to Joe Hawks sets campaign. You took the area where he's the weakest crime in the city with a plan that's not going to become the law anyway. And you said, Hey, that's a pretty good idea. I know all of these Indiana general assembly folks are not going to make the law change. But what I'm going to do is say that that's a great idea. So you and I come at it and Abdul, you and I come at it from

a different perspective. You both live in Marin County. I do not all I want to do. And I talked about why I supported Abdul is be able to get to work and out of work and home safely and occasionally feel safe enough to walk downtown. So I look at it as it's never going to pass. He's got no shot. He's an idiot for putting it out. Right. But 80% of the other stuff is markedly better than what Joe, Joe Hawks set has. Does he get any grace for that? No, I feel like it's common.

Since right what's happening with Joe Hawks set under his time in Indy has not worked. And fun fact, the most violent years were before constitutional carry passed. All he had to do was have his probably five or six team of way over price political staffers come to him and say, here's what you say the other guy's plan is never going to become the law. It's a hail Mary. It's a wish list. His poll numbers, even with Democrats are bad. Abdul, you've told us this.

Our number of years, a lot of Democrats are losing steam with Joe Hawks set. This plan was never going to become a law anyway. What we're going to do is have realistic conversations about how Indianapolis is going to get better. We're going to be tougher on violent repeat criminals. Maybe we'll have better rehabilitation programs for nonviolent offenders. We're going to work with the inner cities. We're going to have mentor programs. You lay out things like that. You don't blame people like me. People like my dad.

And my neighbor for all the problems going on on the canal and downtown Indianapolis. The other ridiculous. The other reason I liked Abdul as I had no doubt that on a debate stage in Intellivision ads. Abdul would have questioned Joe Hawks set where he was during the riots. To me, it is concerning that we have an aggressive stance on guns for law abiding citizens of this state. And yet I've seen no aggression whatsoever from Jefferson Shrieve because everyone knows where Hawks set was about the where he was.

He's coming off as weak. He's coming off as a sellout. He's coming off as somebody that's not willing to fight back. He's got all the money to make a difference. And this is why I'm so mad. People have asked me over the weekend. Why did you flip out the way you do? Because I know he's got a shot. He had a shot. He lost it. Honestly, on Friday, to me, I think he lost by throwing people like us that had his back that were willing to support him. And he drove us right off a cliff.

And like I said at the beginning, politics has always been about addition, not subtraction. And at the end of the day, you get an episode of a net plus of voters. Now, maybe there's some polling or something out there that shows that, you know, most people would support what he wants to do. However, like I said, yeah, you'll have to ask Jefferson when he comes on those people aren't voting for him anyway. You can tell me Mary and County says they want gun control. How many people did you speak with that? How many of them would even consider voting for you anyway?

I do give him credit, though, that recognizing if anyone can save his campaign, it's Rob Kendall. It's probably a good move. I can't wait for this afternoon. What's coming up this afternoon? I'm going to remind everybody every single day until the election, because those overpriced nerds that he hired to run his campaign are hoping the new cycle takes away the story. I'm going to remind people every damn day.

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