From WNYC Studios, I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Wednesday, January 3rd.

Did you know the New York Times is suing the makers of ChatGPT, accusing them of allowing its AI robots to plagiarize from the

Times. Did you know Michael Cohen, the former Trump attorney, now says he inadvertently filed

false statements in a legal case because the falsehoods were generated by AI and he didn't

catch them at first. I didn't know lawyers use robots to write official legal things.

And Europe has jumped ahead of the United States with a new set of rules for how AI can

and cannot be used.

So we'll talk about those in what I think will be a very interesting AI catch-up now,

made by me and at least one other human,

Kat Zuckreski, who covers AI policy and other tech-related policy for the Washington Post.

Kat, thanks for coming on with us. Welcome to WNYC.

Thank you so much for having me on the show.

Can we start briefly with the lawsuit by the New York Times against Open AI, makers of chat GPT?

The suit alleges, quote, mass copyright infringement, unquote, because the system is designed to, quote, exploit and in many cases retain large portions of the copyrighted expression contained in those works.

And it refers to, quote, unlawful copying and use of the copyrighted expression contained in those works, and it refers to, quote,

unlawful copying and use of the times uniquely valuable works. So is this suit the first of its

kind in the AI or chat GPT era as far as you know? And do you understand the legal basis for the

suit? So this suit joins a growing group of artists, authors, musicians, filmmakers

who want credit and compensation from these companies that are using their work to train these

AI systems. So although this is the first time we've seen a news organization like the Times to Open AI,

we have seen big writers like George R.R. Martin and Jody Pocult and others also bring lawsuits

against the company. And it speaks to this growing question that the courts are going to face

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