This is Scott Han and I want to welcome you to the Road to Amaeus, a podcast from the St Paul Center. In the decline in fall of Sacred Scripture,

in the decline in fall of Sacred Scripture, Scott Hahn and Benjamin Waiker

uncover the disturbing trends in Scripture scholarship that have contributed to our current crisis of faith.

But they also show why we should be skeptical of the skeptics and why we should trust the Bible.

Learn more on our show notes at St Paul Center.com forward slash

road. Today's special guest is Alex Jones, the founder of the Hallow App, the number one Catholic

app in the world.

Alex, thank you for joining us. the number one catholic app in the world

Alex thank you for joining us thanks so much for having me it's a pleasure

yeah tell me a little bit about the background of how this came to be

the number one Catholic out.

Yeah, I guess the first question there is how it got started

and then how we've been incredibly fortunate to watch God grow it and my joke is he he always

does the heavy lifting and we just screw it up and he fixes it but so that's the short

story of how it's come to be but I mean so my story I was raised Catholic by my saint

of a mother who dragged me to mass every Sunday but fell away from my faith in high school and college pretty heavily.

Probably would have called myself atheists or agnostic for most of that time.

And when I graduated, two things happened.

There were kind of two parallel journeys. I became fascinated with

meditation and the sad state of affairs in our current world is when people think of meditation

they do not first think of Saint-T of Avalon and St John of the Cross but of

kind of secular meditation and mindfulness meditation so that's where my mind

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