This is Scott Hahn, and I want to welcome you to The Road to Amas, a podcast from the St. Paul's Center.

In the decline and fall of sacred scripture, Scott Hahn and Benjamin Weicker

uncovered the disturbing

trends in Scripture scholarship that have contributed to our current crisis of faith.

But they also show why we should be skeptical of the skeptics and why we should trust the Bible.

Learn more on our show notes at St. Paul Center.com forward slash road.

Today's special guest is Alex Jones, the founder of the Hallow app, the number one Catholic app in the world.

Alex, thank you for joining us.

Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

Yeah, tell me a little bit about the background of how this came to be the number one Catholic app.

Yeah, I guess the first question there is how it got started and then how we've been incredibly fortunate to watch God grow it. And my joke is he

always does the heavy lifting and we just screw it up and he fixes it. But so that's the short

story of how it's come to be. But I mean, so my story, I was raised Catholic by my saint of a mother who dragged me to Mass every Sunday,

but fell away from my faith in high school and college pretty heavily.

Probably would have called myself atheists or agnostic for most of that time.

And when I graduated, two things happened.

There were kind of two parallel journeys.

I became fascinated with meditation,

and the sad state of affairs in our current world is when people think of meditation. They do not

first think of St. Teresa Vavil and St. John of the Cross, but of kind of secular meditation and

mindfulness meditation. So that's where my mind first went. I was going to go to India to try to

learn how to meditate for like two weeks,

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