It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats. And some stupid Republicans

and foolish Republicans fall into the net. And so they try and do the Democrats' work.

I call it the Epstein hoax. Instead, they want to talk about the Epstein hoax. And the sad part

is it's people that are really doing the Democrats' work.

They're stupid people.

When the Justice Department said in that same two-page memo, there's no reason to pursue

further prosecutions, many said, how can those two things be properly aligned?

These are good questions.

I don't know. I've never seen the Epstein evidence.

It wasn't in my lane.

But I have the same concern and question that a lot of people do.

And look, I think the president...

This is not a hoax, in other words.

I was not a hoax. Of course not.

Speaker Mike Johnson, breaking with President Trump telling CBS News yesterday that Jeffrey Epstein case is not a hoax.

And he's obviously, if he's saying that, he's hearing it from his members.

We're going to have some reporting about that.

And also, that means the members are hearing it from their constituents.

Good morning.

Welcome to morning, Joe.

It's Friday, July 25th. With us, we have co-host of our fourth hour, contributing writer at the

Atlantic, Jonathan Lemire. Also managing editor at the Bulwark, Sam Stein, senior writer at the dispatch,

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