Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Gieland Maxwell if she's cooperating? It's something I haven't thought about. It's really something. I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about. If you're asking my opinion, I think 20 years was a pittance. I think she should have a life sentence at least. I mean, think of all these unspeakable crimes. And as you noted earlier, probably a thousand victims.

I mean, you know, this is, it's hard to put into words how evil this was and that she orchestrated it and was a big part of it,

at least under the criminal sanction, I think, is an unforgivable thing. So again, not my decision,

but I have great pause about that

as any reasonable person would. And that's another example of some daylight between President Trump

and Speaker Mike Johnson, as the president did not completely rule out a pardon for Gleine Maxwell,

who was, of course, Jeffrey Epstein's longtime associate.

Meanwhile, the president in Scotland today touting a new trade deal with the European Union.

We're going to break down the details of that agreement.

Plus, we'll bring you the latest from the Middle East.

As Israel says, it will pause fighting in Gaza amid pressure to allow more aid into the territory.

Also ahead this morning, the CIA director teased the release of files on Hillary Clinton

and Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election.

We'll play for you his comments.

Good morning and welcome to Morning Joe.

It is Monday, July 28th. I'm Jonathan

Lemire, in for Joe, Mika, and Willie. Thank you so much for starting off your week with us.

And alongside we have NBC News, National Affairs Analysts, and partner at Chief Political

Comist at Puck, John Howman, as well as the host of way too early. You just saw Allie Vitale.

Great group to start us off. And let's dive right in. President Trump is still in Scotland

as part of a five-day visit there. The president was greeted by crowds of protesters as he kicked

off his weekend of golf and some trade talk with scores of people gathering in cities across

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