Hello and welcome to best laid plans.

This is your host, Sarah Hart-Unger, and this is the podcast where we talk all things

planning and planning adjacent.

As promised, I have a, I would say, planning adjacent guest for you today. I am talking to the

wonderful Monica Packer about perfectionism, habits, and we get a little deeper than I expected

in this conversation, so I really hope you enjoy it. I'll be back at the end, just to close out

and remind you where you can find notes and everything else.

Here we go with Monica.

I am here with Monica Packer and I am so excited to chat about goal setting, habit formation,

perfectionism, and so many more things.

Monica was actually introduced to me by friend of the show and someone I

consider a real life friend at this point, Jenny Eversole, who is part of Style Space. And she is

awesome and said, we had to connect. So thank you, Jenny for this episode. Monica, can you introduce

yourself and tell everybody what you do and what you're all about?

Sure. So my name is Monica Packer. People primarily know me as a podcaster on a podcast called About Progress. And we're a personal development community that focuses on progress outside of perfectionism, which relates back to the beginning of my story. And I am also a mom of five.

I just had my fifth and final kid. He's three months old and just we're on our week two of

trying to have a babysitter here a few afternoons a week. So let's hope that things are going well

down there. But that's me in a nutshell. Oh my gosh. I love it. I always wonder when someone says

it's their last kid, I'm like, well, how do they know? But it sounds like five does sound like a lot of

people to be managing. So this time I do know. I did not know after my fourth, but after a five-year

break in between it, I now officially do do know this is it for our family.

So we're lucky to have them.

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