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DeMorris Smith is going to join us in just about an hour.

He's the former executive director of the NFLPA.

They had a couple of different NFL directors since he retired. Yes. Well, they, uh, their guy already got lost his job. Yeah, he got dismissed. Yeah, already. He had to step down or whatever. What did he do again? Well, there were issues about all kinds of stuff. Like strip club expenses that were getting billed back to the, oh, okay. He also wasn't acknowledging other companies that were compensating him for things. Yeah, like conflicts of interest. A little bit shady. Yeah. Wasn't a great run for that guy. Can't remember his name, but I can look at all. Maybe Lloyd Howl or something. You're right. That makes sense. But then there's been some turmoil there with like J.C. Treter, whatever, you know,

bunch of guys there like J.C.

Treterer, whatever, you know,

a bunch of guys there like on the board. I don't know. It's kind of a mess. God, he's got to be so thankful that he's out of that business. Just out of that. He didn't. He did it 14 years. That's a long guy. He made a lot of money.

Oh, he made so much money.

They actually publicized the salaries.

And I counted it up. 14 years. That's a long guy. He made a lot of money. Oh, he made so much money. They actually publicized his salaries.

And I counted it up. He did a good job. He made it up. He did really well. Write down a piece of paper the total that he made. He won't. He won't want to do that. He won't want it. I'm not going to say it. You write down your total, and I'm going to write down what I, when I'm guessing he.

I'm guessing it.

I'm just throwing it out there.

I'm guessing.

Because this is what, this is what. I'm not going to say it. You write down your total and I'm going to write down what I, when I'm guessing he.

I'm guessing it.

I'm just throwing it out there.

I'm guessing.

Because this is what, this is one of our specialties.

Can I say what I think he was making? No, just. I don't want to see the number yet. It changed wildly towards the end. I don't want to see that number. A total number.

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