Hello and welcome back to the Psych Legal Podcast. This is a podcast where we talk about popular

culture through the lens of an attorney and a therapist. I'm the therapist, Tess Brigham.

And I'm Brooke Brigham. I'm the attorney. So today we are going to talk about Natalia Grace

and Gypsy Road, Jopee Rose Blanchard.

We have been getting a lot of requests to cover these cases,

but so many podcasts have talked about,

both of these cases talked about and recapped these documentaries that are connected to Natalia Grace and,

you know, Gypsy's, you know, release.

Release.

Thank you.

That was the word I was looking for.

Release from prison.

It feels like it's been talked about a lot, but our Uncle Bill sent us this article

from the Washington Post call, it's called called it came out on January 11th of this year

2024 gypsy Rose Natalia Grace and the girl boss

suffocation of trauma victims the fame machine has a strange way of

processing other people's nightmarish childhoods. And this is written by perspective by

Monica Hess. Yes. And it was a really, really interesting article. So I highly recommend

checking it out. But so we're going to talk about both cases, but we're really going to talk about

this idea of what a strange

cultural phenomenon this has been with these two women who are obviously victims. And their

victimhood unfortunately made them perpetrators as well.

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