Welcome to the conversationsations that Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We have a

guest with us today which I'm very grateful to have from a long ways away. I

didn't calculate how many miles but thousands.

Pastor Guy Shaw, who is in Umshlanga,

which is just outside of Durbin on the East Coast of South Africa.

He's in Umshlogaga Baptist Church.

And he's going to talk to us a little bit about what's going on there in Africa with the recent events that have been in the news and what it's like to do gospel

ministry there and what the effect of government policies over the last 20 years have been so

pastor Shaw thank you so much

thanks John it's a real joy to be joining you today and we've been following your YouTube ministry over the past year really have

appreciated your commitment to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

So obviously I'm a white South African. Many people when they think of Africa,

I remember once I was in the States

and I met some people and they said,

but you're white.

And I said, yes, I'm white.

And they said, but you're from Africa.

And I said, yes, I'm from Africa they said but you're from Africa and I said yes I'm from Africa my ancestors were from

Scotland many a few hundred years ago and so in South Africa we have great diversity

when it comes to cultures and it's been a joy for me to spend my entire 50-something

years of life here in South Africa. I grew up in the apartheid years. I grew up in the apartheid years, very much in the thick of the

apartheid years and there were rules in place in our country that prevented

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