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All right, our next guest here on the show literally put Apple on the map.

Did.

He's the guy that walked into a room with

skeptics in 1984 and said this box is gonna change the world to change the

world he is what's called an Apple evangelist well he was that now he's the chief

evangelist at Canva you've used Canva of course use Canva every. Now he's the chief evangelist at Canva. You've used Canva.

Of course. He's canva every day.

Okay. He's written 18 books.

Guys, total slacker.

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