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rights. To be on the air with Tom, call us now. 866 8255486 or one Tom Talk Gun. Now here's Tom Gresham.

Out of duty. Tom Gresham here if you'd like to join us, 866 Talk Gun, get you in here.

One of the things we talk about, people want to know. What happens if I get into a self-defense shooting? Well a lot of things.

First of all the goal is to not get into one. I mean that's fairly certain.

You don't want to do that if you don't have to and you only do it if you have to but part of

training and preparation of course you learn how to shoot you get the right

gun you get the right ammo you get some training and part and partial of that is

being prepared for what happens next and to join us to talk about that right now is

Marty Hayes.

Hey Marty how are you? I am doing great. Thank you.

Marty of course with the Firearms Academy of Seattle and several years ago you created

this very cool I don't even know what you call it program

concept business model but it's it's I look at it as one of the most useful

services somebody who has concealed carry or just has a gun for

self protection could have.

What do you call it and what does it do?

Let's see, Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

I'd liken it to a big club of armed citizens who have taken an oath to support each other

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