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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Guns: A Civil Disagreement Part One

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 27 June 2022

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

This week's episode is the first of a two part series about guns in America. It's a conversation between Meghan and two people with very different feelings about the issue. Melanie Jeffcoat is an actor, filmmaker and gun control activist who lives in Alabama. Jon Godfrey is a retired law enforcement officer who's a staunch defender of the Second Amendment and lives in upstate New York. In this part of this conversation, Jon and Melanie talk about how their backgrounds shaped their feelings about guns and compare and contrast their reactions to the May 24 school shooting in Uvalde,Texas. While Melanie is perplexed as to why anyone would need something like an AR-15, Jon explains why he owns such weapons and why he advocates for proper training and better mental health screenings rather than restrictions on the guns themselves. Above all, they talk about how they came to know one another. In 2018 they were part of Guns: An American Conversation, a collaboration between TIME Magazine and a consortium of local media outlets that brought together 21 people with wide ranging views on gun control for a two-day discussion. Despite their opposing views, Jon and Melanie developed a friendship that has transcended their differences, though they still do plenty of arguing. 
 
 

Guest Bios:

Melanie Jeffcoat received her MFA in Acting from the Professional Actor Training Program at the University of Washington in Seattle and has worked around the country in theater and film. Her acting credits include  "All My Children," "Ordinary Joe" and "The Wonder Years." Her producing, directing and writing credits include "Man in the Glass: The Dale Brown Story," "Gip," and Open Secret," which won the Audience Choice Award at the 2010 Politics on Film Festival in Washington, D.C. Melanie is co-founder of Chaotic Good Improv in Birmingham, Alabama and is a volunteer with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. She lives near Birmingham, Alabama 
 
Jon Godfrey worked in law enforcement for several decades, serving as Deputy County Sheriff in Pottawatomie County, Kansas, a criminal investigator in Kansas and Chief of Police for the US Dept. Of Veterans Affairs Police Service in Syracuse, New York. A retired army veteran, he lives in a rural area outside Syracuse, New York. 

Transcript

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I'm torn because I can't get angry at the cops when I'm like, well, they're probably

0:08.5

standing there thinking, well, how do I, how do I compete with what that kid has, the firepower?

0:14.7

And that goes to why does an 18 year old need an assault style AR 15 or whatever and that much ammunition. That should never,

0:25.4

if he just had a pistol, I think the cops would able to get in there quickly and take down

0:30.4

the threat much more effectively. Every firearm round is going to do extreme damage.

0:38.7

I mean, you can get shot by a 22, which is small-scalibre round practically out there that's

0:43.8

commercially sold frequently, and you can die from it, or you can survive from it.

0:49.5

And the same thing can be said from that.

0:51.5

They do do damage, the bigger the caliper goes.

0:53.8

But when you go up in the caliber, you're going to find. The same thing can be said from that. They do do damage, the bigger the caliper goes.

1:02.9

But when you go up in the caliber, you're going to find that a handgun, I mean, a 357 magnum wheel gun will do horrific damage.

1:06.9

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast.

1:08.9

I'm your host, Megan Down.

1:13.3

This episode is about guns. It's the first of a two-part series I'm going to do over two weeks. And I'm going to say more about that in a minute,

1:18.7

but first an item of business. So I am getting an overwhelming response to my new project,

1:26.3

the unspeak-easy. You may have already heard me talking about it,

1:30.1

but in case not, this is a heterodox community for women. If you listen to a lot of podcasts like

1:37.8

this one, you may have noticed that despite a handful of women in the host's seats and in the audience,

1:46.0

there are perhaps not quite as many women's voices in the overall mix as we may like.

1:52.5

So that is why I am creating a community for free-thinking women,

1:57.2

and it will exist both online and in real life.

2:05.2

To learn more about it, go to the unspeakeasy.com.

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