Brian Miller on WNYC, as we continue our coverage for one more segment this morning of the shooting in Midtown.

We're going to look at the state of gun control in the

wake of Monday's tragedy. Just two days ago, New York City did see its deadliest mass shooting

since the year 2000 when, and this of course does not include 9-11, which wasn't a shooting,

but obviously a bigger mass casualty incident. But a lone gunman

opened fire in an office building on Park Avenue Monday. You know this. Four people were

fatally shot and killed before a 27-year-old Shane Devon Tamora turned his assault rifle on himself.

And while this was a rare tragedy for the city, we're all too familiar

with this story. According to the gun violence archive, for example, this country has seen

254 mass shootings so far in 2025. Mass shootings have some different definitions. I'm not sure which one that uses.

Some have three deaths as a minimum for a math shooting,

but you have the idea, 254 of them so far this year nationwide.

So joining me now to discuss this aspect of the case is Richard Aiborne, president of the

Citizens Crime Commission of New York City, a think tank and advocacy group on controlling crime.

Locally, he also has a national background as the former head, for example, of Handgun Control,

Inc., that gun control organization, which became the Brady campaign.

Richard, welcome back to WNIC.

Thank you, Brian.

Always a pleasure to be with you.

So every time a mass shooting occurs in this country, we hear the phrase,

guns don't kill people, people,

signaling to the ongoing debate about whether mental health or the guns themselves or evil should be blamed.

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