Welcome back to how takes and deep dives, and I am here with true TV and film royalty.

She burst on to the queer indie movie scene in the early 90s with Go Fish,

went on to write American Psycho, a film we have talked extensively about on this show.

Chasing Amy is kind of based on her.

We're going to go deep on the real story there.

Not only did she title the show The L Word, but she was a writer on the early seasons and played the first hot villain on the show, Gabby DeVoe. She has more stories. Well, I hope that we can fit all of her stories into this episode. Hi, Gwynnevere Turder. Hello. It's nice to be here feeling like an, you know, a lesbian elder. How are you? I'm good.

No, you just told me that last night you took your girlfriend to the cubbyhole because she had never been to a lesbian bar.

Or wait, what did you say? She'd never been to a lesbian bar in New York or she had never been to one.

She had only been to two in her life and and one was in Beirut and one was in Philadelphia. And so she'd never been to a lesbian bar in New York. How long has she lived here? In New York for three years. She was in grad school. But I hadn't been to the cubby hole in forever. So, I didn't know what to expect.

This is very local news, but how was it last night? It was a Wednesday night and it was, you know, pumping. It was, it was crowded. Everybody was laughing, talking, outside smoking. You know, it was a, it was really fun. And, you know, we were sort of, she was sort of looking around like, oh, it's, those are like the athleisure lesbians and those are like the, you know, she was just trying to like, you know, you know, find categories. And I was like, am I the oldest person here? And I looked around and I was like, no, there's a couple of women my age. And then later on, I was like, now I can just look up and I know exactly who's my age because they're the only people who recognize me. That's funny. Did anybody recognize you last night? Yeah, actually. A few people, you know, you can just tell when people recognize you because they are just looking at you, not in a like, hey, baby way, but in a like,

oh my God, is that like that chick from that thing? But no, one woman, she bumped, literally bumped into me and I was like, oh, excuse me. And she was like, excuse me, I'm not going to pretend. I don't know who you are. And I was like, oh, I generally thought we were bumping into each other. And she was a was a bartender at Meowmix, which was like the big 90s, Les Bar.

We're going deep on Meowbts as part of it. And so she's like, I was a bartender at Miomix, you know, and we just, you know, started talking about the good old Glory Days of Meomics, you know, the owner of meomics. I still is a good friend of mine. So I was like, wow, so you've seen me quite sauced.

I mean, I used to just

have a martini glass with my name etched on it, basically. Now, I listed all these things that you've been part of. Is there anything that you genuinely love to talk about? Like, if we're, like, if we're going to, like, kind of create a roadmap here, I don't know that I want to go necessarily chronologically.

If you want to like drop a pin a roadmap here. I don't know that I want to go necessarily chronologically.

If you want to like drop a pin somewhere in your life story, tell me what you want to start with and then we can branch out from there. Randomly, this is just what popped into my head. There's just a

really funny story that sort of is in and around the 90s in New York when I was in my 20s living here.

Is this taxicab confession? Yes. Okay. All right. All right. I love it. Guys, we're starting with taxi cab confessions, which I didn't even say in the intro. All right. I'll let you. I mean, yeah. So basically, like, you were a filmmaker. Well, gosh, how do we even start this? you, to sort of preface this taxicab confession.

It was the summer of 1994.

Okay, I'll let you go ahead. You go ahead. It's kind of my best story. And I have a lot of stories, but it's just a good one if people don't know it. And it's hilarious. It was not so funny to me at the time. It was the summer of 1994. And speaking of

lesbian bars, I was at Henrietta Hudson. And my film GoFish was in theaters at the time.

Was it playing at the Angelica? It was playing at the Angelica, which was just thrilling.

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