This is Free Thought Radio on Air America with your host, Dan Barker, and Annie Laurie Gaylor.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us.

Above us only sky imagine all the people

living for today.

Hello are you godless heathens and infidels and fans of Ursula K. Le Guin.

This is Free Thought Radio. I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor, and we'll be talking with Ursula K. Le Guin, an unbeliever, as well as a legendary fantasy and science fiction writer,

later on today's show.

And I'm Dan Barker, your friendly neighborhood atheist.

Free Thought Radio is broadcasting over many Air America stations.

It streams from airamerica.com on weekends, and this show is the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

Annie Lorraine and I are co-presidents of the National Organization of Atheists and Agnostics

who work primarily to keep state and church separate, which we talk a lot about on this show,

but also just as strongly we work to educate the public about the views of non-believers. So we'd like to start the show. We always like to start the show with a little humor, and there's been a little bit of a dry spell there, but we're getting some more irreverent jokes suggested by listeners, and what's your latest, Dan? Well, I blew all my good jokes in the first 50 to 100 shows, and now,

what are we, 180 or some now? And so listeners have been sending them in, and some of them

we can't say on the radio, obviously, but funny, thank you for sending those. But one came in a

couple weeks ago. Jesus walked into a hotel with three nails, and he said, can you put me up for the night?

Well, they will see how to that.

All right, I see if that works.

Coming up, as Annie Lory told you, we're going to be talking with the great Ursula K. Le Guin,

who will be receiving an Emperor Has No Clothes Award, which is the award that the Freedom from Religion Foundation

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