This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us, above us only sky

Imagine all the people

living for today

Hello, it's a lucky Saturday. If you happen to have Trisca Decafilia, I'm Annie Laurie Geller, and welcome to Free Thought Radio.

Is that a word, Triscafele? Trisca decaphobia is the fear of the number 13, and this is the October 13th, 2012 broadcast of Free Thought Radio.

I suppose they are all non-superstitious people would have, or might have Trisca Decaphelia.

I'm Dan Barker, and this is Free Thought Radio, which is Radio for the rest of us, radio as secular as our Constitution. This show is produced at and

broadcast from the Micah 92.1 in Madison, Wisconsin. We also broadcast in Columbia, Missouri,

and other cities in Grand Rapids, and in Ithaca, New York, in Monterey, California, and, of course, podcasts throughout the entire natural universe.

Free Thought Radio is the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

which is the group that Dan and I co-direct.

And we hope not someday, but today you will join our 501C3 educational charity,

and we are serving as the nation's largest

association, North America's largest association of free thinkers, atheists and agnostics

over 19,000, and we work to keep religion out of government, have about 10 lawsuits going,

and we have four staff attorneys working diligently to end violations without having to go to court.

Today we're going to have some good news to report and then some not so good news to report.

But it seems like even after more than three decades of working at the foundation, although

things have improved for free thinkers, a lot of things are still the same. As Annie Laurie told you, we are both co-presidents of the Foundation since 2004.

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