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Welcome to the Quillette podcast, hosted on alternate weeks by me, Jonathan Kay, and by Iona Italia.

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I'm your host today, Iona Italian. My guest today is Lionel Shriver.

Lionel is an American novelist and journalist. She is the author of 18 novels as well as a short story collection

and a collection of essays beautifully entitled Abominations,

selected essays from a career of courting self-destruction.

Her most famous book is We Need to Talk About Kevin,

though my personal favourites are the post-birthday

world, and so much for that. Her latest novel, A Better Life, is a tour de force, a comic

Paige Turner that addresses one of the biggest political issues of our time head on without ever

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