This is Free Thought Radio on Air America with your host, Dan Barker, and Annie Laurie Gaylor.

Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us

Above us Above us only sky

Imagine all the people

living for today

Hello all you happy heretics.

I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor and welcome to Free Thought Radio.

And I'm Dan Barker, your friendly neighborhood atheist.

Free Thought Radio broadcasts over many Air America stations and is streaming from

air America.com. And this show is produced by the Freedom from Religion Foundation, a national

organization that works to keep state and church separate and to educate the public about the

views of non-believers. Our guests today, whom we'll talk with on the second half of our program, will be James Coors.

Jim Coors is the newest officer of the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

Jim Coors is Professor Emeritus at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and we'll talk with him about

evolution and Darwin, and also about why he thinks freedom from religion is so important.

And in a few minutes, something completely different, as Monty Python would say,

we're going to air a clip of opening remarks from a recent debate by my esteemed co-host, Dan Barker.

And when was this debate, Dan?

November of last year, 2009. And where?

In San Marcos, Texas, just north of San Antonio at Texas State. And whom did you debate?

I debated a guy named Kevin Colley, and the topic was, can we be good without God?

And, of course, that's probably one of the greatest myths that we free thinkers face.

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