Welcome everybody to a very special Making Sense of the Madness Valentine's Day edition.

I am Jason Burma sitting in for Sean Morgan, and today we're going to talk Love, Love, Love,

with Dr. Kirk Elliott, Lee Valentine, and Dr. Jamie Turndorf.

It's Making Sense of the Madness.

It's Making Sense of the Madness. We are back and showing the love, and I was actually able to meet Dr. Kirk Elliott a few weeks ago out in Nashville, Tennessee.

And now the holidays are here.

And let's be honest, look, when we're talking about our significant other usually

one person in the relationship is better with the money and we also know that relationships are a lot

easier when finances aren't part of that stress margin on that relationship. So here to kind of talk about that and how

if you're the fiscally responsible one in the relationship, you can maybe gear your partner

towards more of that is Dr. Kirk Elliott. Thank you, sir.

Hey, Jason. It's great to be with you. And, you know, you are so right. You know, in relationships,

whether it's a marriage or talking to your kids about finances, right? But what causes the most

conflict in a relationship, right? Financial stress is one of the biggest things, right? So, so when, when you run out

of money, when you're, when you're constantly looking at your bills at the end of every month and say,

man, we're just not cutting it. Well, we've got to start cutting things out. We've got to, we've got to,

I mean, this stress, when people call my office, because I've been a wealth manager for almost 30 years now,

right? Here's what grips them. It's fear, right? Fear is, it's all consuming with people

that call. It's like, we don't know what to do. We're afraid that our money is going to run out or

afraid that our retirements are going to erode because of politics, right? And we can't

control that. It's like, no, you can control it. Right. And so, so when we're talking to people

and strategically mapping out their questions and their concerns, what it is always boil down to,

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