This is Free Thought Radio on Air America with your hosts Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor.

Imagine there's no heaven

It's easy if you try

No hell below us

Above us Greetings all the people Us Greetings godless infidels and all you out-of-the-closate atheists and agnostics.

I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor, and welcome to Free Thought Radio.

We're broadcasting and streaming live from Air America.

I'm Dan Barker.

I'm the former minister who's now a friendly neighborhood atheist.

And I'm not the only one.

We hope someday you will join us and the world can be as one. This show is produced by the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

We are a national organization, a membership organization, with more than 12,000

atheists and agnostics and other types of skeptics working to keep state and church separate.

We should be 12 million. There are 14 million non-believers who are growing fast. And some listeners

from this program are going to join the foundation. Is that your prophecy?

I still have the gift of prophecy, yes.

We have a timely guest this week, and timely because this week there was a new poll that was just published by the Public Library of Science Biology,

showing, shockingly, that one in eight U.S. high school teachers is presenting creationism as a valid alternative to evolution, alternative, to the facts.

So we'll be talking about evolution, the evidence for evolution, the importance of teaching evolution in our religion-drenched nation with scientist and author Professor Sean Carroll.

He's a leading biologist whose newest book is called The Making of the Fiddest, DNA, and the ultimate forensic record of evolution.

It's a detective story really, but before we talk with author Sean Carroll and

take a look at the news, we've never talked on this show about how the Freedom

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