Guest Episode: Revisionist History: When Will Met Grace

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🗓️ 15 September 2022

⏱️ 37 minutes

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This special guest episode is from Revisionist History, Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast about things misunderstood and overlooked. Gladwell does a deep dive into the ’90s sitcom “Will and Grace,” which was quietly revolutionary in changing our collective beliefs around gay people and marriage equality. The episode also looks at how television’s ability to change public opinion has faded with the rise of modern-day streaming. For more Revisionist History, go to https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/rhs7?sid=mgh. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:36.9	And thank you so much.
0:40.6	Hi History Makers, Eric here. While we're working on our upcoming season of Making Gay History,
0:49.8	I wanted to share with you a special episode of another podcast that I think you'll be interested
0:54.3	in. It's from Revisionist History. That's bestselling author Malcolm Gladwell's podcast that
1:01.5	re-examines something from the past and asks whether we got it right the first time.
1:07.4	This episode is about the TV sitcom Will & Grace, which first aired almost 25 years
1:13.0	ago. Millions of viewers loved it. I did not, but after listening to the episode you're
1:20.3	about to hear, I've got a new appreciation for how Will & Grace may very well have made
1:25.6	gay history by transforming how average Americans think of homosexuals. A tipping point that
1:32.3	led to vast public support for things like marriage equality. But I'm getting ahead of
1:37.2	the ever inquisitive Malcolm Gladwell. In this episode of Revisionist History, Malcolm
1:43.4	talks to the show's executive producers, learns about the gatekeepers they had to go through
1:48.0	to get Will & Grace on the air and explores the show's subversive role in changing hearts
1:53.2	and minds at a time when television's broad reach still had the power to do just that.
1:59.4	Here's the episode now. And if you like what you hear, you can find more Revisionist History
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