Guest Episode: Drilled: Carbon Cowboys
Scene on Radio
Kenan Institute for Ethics at Duke University
4.9 • 11.3K Ratings
🗓️ 13 May 2026
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
We're happy to share this episode from award-winning climate journalist Amy Westervelt, co-host of Scene on Radio's 5th season: The Repair. Amy returns with a new season of Drilled, her podcast about the deception, disinformation, and power structures keeping real climate solutions out of reach. Drilled: Carbon Cowboys exposes how Midwest Republican corn ethanol mogul Bruce Rastetter sold "sustainable aviation fuel" to world leaders, from North Dakota to Brazil. Find Drilled wherever you get podcasts and hear episodes early and ad-free with a Pushkin+ subscription. Sign up on the Drilled show page on Apple Podcasts or at pushkin.fm/plus.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, everyone, it's John. As we ramp up toward the release of our own season eight in a couple of weeks, |
| 0:07.7 | I'm really excited to share another new thing with you today. A lot of you will remember Amy Westervelt, |
| 0:14.7 | my co-host for Season 5, The Repair, on the Climate Crisis. If you're not familiar with Amy, she's an award-winning |
| 0:22.7 | investigative reporter and longtime host of Drilled, a true crime podcast about the crime of the century, |
| 0:30.7 | climate change. Amy and her team look at the deception, disinformation, and power structures |
| 0:37.1 | keeping real climate solutions out of |
| 0:39.6 | reach. She's now back with a new season of Drilled, Carbon Cowboys. It starts with a bold vision |
| 0:47.4 | that a new kind of clean energy technology, backed by agricultural expansion and carbon capture, |
| 0:57.0 | could help address the climate crisis while transforming economies from the American Midwest to Brazil. |
| 1:02.0 | The mastermind behind the project is Midwest Republican kingmaker and corn ethanol magnate, |
| 1:09.0 | Bruce Rasteader, whose investments in Brazil might just transform him |
| 1:14.4 | into a global carbon czar. But there's a problem. His carbon project requires a ton of land |
| 1:21.9 | and does absolutely nothing for climate change. Here's the first episode. As a listener of C-N-Radio, I think you'll appreciate what this story says about the tech, |
| 1:33.3 | politics, and capitalism around climate change. |
| 1:37.4 | If you like what you hear, find more of drilled wherever you get your podcasts, |
| 1:42.2 | and get episodes of Carbon Cowboys early and ad-free with a Pushkin Plus subscription. |
| 1:50.1 | Sign up on the drilled show page on Apple Podcasts or at pushkin.fm slash plus. |
| 2:12.4 | In early September 2025, a handful of Brazilian government officials headed to North Dakota on a mission. |
| 2:20.1 | It was a technical mission. They were there to see a shiny new green technology in action. The idea behind this new technology was simple. |
| 2:23.3 | When you turn corn into ethanol, it generates carbon dioxide. |
| 2:27.9 | And that's a problem if you're trying to be a green fuel. |
| 2:31.6 | But now, people from Iowa to North Dakota were capturing that carbon dioxide, |
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