This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us, above us only sky.

Imagine all the people living for today. Happy Darwin Day.

Charles Darwin knew there was no hell, but he called it in a famous pun,

a damnable doctrine.

Sunday is the 203rd anniversary of the birth of science giant Charles Darwin,

who has helped civilization evolve beyond belief.

I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor, welcoming you to Freethought Radio,

the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

the nation's largest association of freethinkers, atheists, and agnastics,

and we are a diligent state church watchdog.

And I'm Dan Barker, your co-host, your friendly neighborhood atheist of the airwaves.

This is, as Annie Laurie told you, the weekend of February 11th and 12th, February 12th was Darwin's birthday, 2012.

Free Thought Radio is broadcasting here in Madison, Wisconsin,

streaming from the mic 92.1, and we also broadcast in several cities.

And hello to all you podcast listeners.

On the second half of today's show, our interview portion, we're going to talk with a legal

giant, Ellery Schimp, who is now a retired scientist and who, when he was a high school student,

was the catalyst for the famous Shemp v. Abington, 1962 Supreme Court decision, which ruled that Bible reading and prayers in our public schools are unconstitutional.

So we're looking forward to having Elri back on the show, and he's remained active in supporting high school state church litigant Jessica Alquist,

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