This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us, above us only sky.

Imagine all the people living for today. I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor, and this is Free Thought Radio where anything goes.

And I'm Dan Barker, your friendly neighborhood atheist.

This is the weekend of January the 14th and 15th, 2012.

Free Thought Radio broadcasts and streams from the Mike 92.1 in Madison, Wisconsin.

And hello to all you podcast listeners.

And those who are listening to the broadcasts in Grand Rapids in Monty, in New York City, where we just were,

which we'll talk about in just a minute, and in Milwaukee.

Free Thought Radio is the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

which is a non-profit, and that's both spellings, both nonprofit as in educational and nonprofit without religion, P-R-O-P-H-E-T, where the nation's largest association of Freethinkers.

The Freethinkers means atheists, agnostics, apathists, I guess, that's a word, poly atheists, and the not-religious.

Well, whatever you call yourself, we like to say that we, free thinkers, all disbelieve in the same gods.

FFRF is also a vigilant state church watchdog with four staff attorneys.

We also litigate.

We've taken more than 50 lawsuits in the past

30-some years, and we have six active lawsuits going as we speak. Our guest on the second half of

today's show will be John Compier. He joins the very exclusive circle of former ministers who, like myself, are now non-believers. And he's also a member of

the clergy project, which we've talked about before, a new organization, a former and active

clergy, ministers, priests, missionaries, a few rabbis who... A nun, don't you have? Yeah, there's two nuns, priests, missionaries, a few rabbis who...

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