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Hello, this is the Red Box podcast. I'm Patrick McGuire, still in for Matt

Tually. While I was watching Richie Soonach and Liz Truss slug it out in Stoke on Trent last night,

he sent me a picture of himself necking a shot of limoncello in line Regis.

It's all right for some. But coming up on today's podcast, Boris Johnson is plotting a comeback.

So we've been looking at histories examples of prime ministers who won't take no for an answer.

That's coming up in just a moment, but to discuss the TV debate between Tuna and Truss

and Keir's time of backtracking on his leadership pledges, here's David Ornogich and Rachel Conliff.

The columnist on Times Radio. Tell you what, you can't go the staff here,

but you can get the best commentary from David Ornogich times columnist. Hi there.

And Rachel Conliff joins us from the new statesman in the absence of Danny Finkelstein. I don't know

what Danny's off doing. David, have you any idea? I think he's trying to buy players for Thomas

Tuchel at Chelsea, who's very cross, that not enough players have been born. Get on with it, Danny.

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