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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Growing Up with a Mother in Prison

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

Politics, Arts, News, Wnyc, Books, David, Storytelling, Society & Culture, Yorker, New, Remnick

4.26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2026

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Harriet Clark’s new novel “The Hill” parallels her own childhood years spent visiting the prison where her mother was incarcerated. She talks with Rachel Aviv.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The New Yorker Radio Hour is a co-production of WNYC and The New Yorker.

0:11.8

This is The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

0:15.3

Harriet Clark's novel called The Hill is one of the most anticipated works of fiction of this year,

0:20.9

and has won some extraordinary views, including by James Wood and the New Yorker.

0:25.2

It's a story of a girl growing up visiting her mother in prison,

0:28.9

where the mother is serving a life sentence.

0:32.2

And although The Hill is a work of fiction,

0:35.1

it follows the contours of Harriet Clark's own life quite closely.

0:40.0

One of the book's enthusiastic readers is Rachel Aviv, a staff writer at The New Yorker.

0:47.9

When I was reading Harriet Clark's The Hill, I felt almost this kind of sickness that I remember feeling as a kid when I read a book where, like, being apart from the book, it was like a vacuum.

1:00.7

Like, I just, there was something about it that felt like I was doing the wrong thing if I was not reading the book.

1:05.6

And one of the things that I found so compelling was the way that she captured the internal life and clock of a child.

1:13.8

There's that sense of being a creature who can sense things but not comprehend.

1:20.8

And the book really focuses on the relationship between a mother and daughter.

1:26.9

One is inside of prison, one is outside of prison, and they're kind of trying to figure out

1:32.3

who the other one is as they both age.

1:36.5

Here's Rachel LeVieve with the novelist Harriet Clark.

1:40.6

Before we start talking, I thought it would be helpful if you could just explain why your mom was serving a life sentence and who was caring for you in the early years of your life.

1:50.6

When I was 11 months old, my mother drove a getaway car for the robbery of a brink truck that was supposed to raise funds for the Black Liberation Army and

2:03.7

underground black nationalist group. And three men were killed in the robbery. Nine children

2:10.4

lost their fathers. My mother was not a shooter. She was not present when anyone was shot.

2:36.1

But for various political reasons, she did not put on a defense and wasn't present for her trial. And she received three consecutive life sentences and was incarcerated in a facility about an hour out of New York City, where I grew up visiting her every week.

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