their first week of marriage when they came home from their honeymoon and we all move in together.

I was terrible. I said to him, I don't trust you. I don't like you. You're not my dad. I don't

anything to do with you. Don't look at me. Don't talk to me. You can't tell me what to do. Stay away from me.

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifet Today.com.

This is Family life today.

So you're a pastor for 30 years. You've preached almost every Sunday since we've been married that I've known you.

Not every Sunday.

But a lot of them.

So let me ask you this.

When the average churchgoer looks at a worship leader who's singing and praising God,

do you think most people assume that they have a pristine life?

Yeah, I actually do.

I mean, I know they don't. You know, a lot of times I've been in the

band and I'm with those worship leaders. I've been a worship leader and you know better than anybody.

Do I have a pristine life? No, I think none of us have a pristine, perfect life. Yeah, but I think

anybody on a stage or even on a screen, we tend to do that in the

spiritual realm. We think they're there because their life so much better than ours and so

much cleaner than ours. But the truth is a lot of worship leaders, just like everybody else,

come from homes where they struggle and had difficult upbringing.

Well, I think today is going to be interesting because we're going to hear a portion of the Family Life Blended podcast, which many of you know is hosted by Ron Deal.

And he's talking with someone we love, Kim Walker Smith, who's a singer, songwriter, worship leader, and recording artists,

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