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When you're kind of approaching this purchasing of perennials, like do you have any sort of

guidelines or ways that you think about container size?

I mean, the price of a plan is, first of all, based on the pot size.

So if it's a one-gallon container, I usually check first to see if it's a one-court container

that was put into a one-gallon container.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

Anchor soil, right? let's say a baptizia or you do want to get the biggest one you can get because you are buying time.

If you buy a really fine baptizia and it has two stems on it and you order it through mail and

comes in a court container, it's still going to take five years before it forms even a halfway

decent. Oh, wow.

Welcome to the Beat podcast. I'm your host today, Jacques Lyakov. And today we have on Matt Matt Mattis from the American Horticultural Society. And we're here to talk about a little bit about Matt because I think you have a very interesting background and been gardening for a long time. And also a new book from the American Horticultural Society that's all about perennial gardening. So I'm very excited about today's discussion. Thank you for coming on, Matt.

And I guess first I want to introduce you and say, you've been gardening in your family house

where your grandparents garden for over 100 years. And we were talking a little bit about this

at the beginning.

But here in San Diego, that is a novelty for me.

So I'd love to hear about your background and gardening and kind of where you're at right now.

Sure. Thanks, Jackson.

And great meeting you. I've always followed you on mine.

Oh, awesome.

Yeah, so I live in Worcester, Massachusetts, which is about 40 miles west of Boston, in the house that, yes, indeed, was my dad.

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