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Hidden Brain

Group Think

Hidden Brain

Hidden Brain Media

Social Sciences, Performing Arts, Science, Arts

4.642.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2026

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

How do the groups you identify with shape your sense of self? Do they influence the beer you buy? The way you vote? In this favorite episode from 2021, psychologist Jay Van Bavel explains how our group loyalties affect us more than we realize, and can even shape our basic senses of sight, taste and smell. Then, look out! There's a g-g-g-ghost! Psychologist Coltan Scrivner answers listener questions about the surprising benefits of scary entertainment.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. When Nelson Mandela became South Africa's first black

0:06.6

president in 1994, he had big dreams for his bitterly divided country.

0:11.8

We enter into a covenant that we shall build the society, a rainbow nation, at peace with itself

0:20.5

and the world.

0:22.4

He had spent a lifetime fighting the racist apartheid regime, including more than a quarter century in prison.

0:29.2

He was a heroic figure already by that time. But to many white South Africans, they saw him as a

0:35.0

criminal and a terrorist. This is psychologist J. Van Bavel. As president of a United South Africa, they saw him as a criminal and a terrorist. This is psychologist J. Van Bevel.

0:38.7

As president of a United South Africa, Nelson Mandela, or Mediba, as he was known to his supporters,

0:45.0

needed to find a way for the people in his rainbow nation to see themselves as South Africans first.

0:52.5

Other politicians might have turned to speeches and policies.

0:56.5

Madiba turned to sports.

0:59.9

Play continues. Offside by New Zealand.

1:02.3

He used the Rugby World Cup, which was being hosted in South Africa.

1:07.3

And during the apartheid era, South Africa had been banned from competition.

1:11.6

And the South African team was known as the Springboks, and they were beloved by the white South Africans and despised by the black population.

1:19.6

But what Mandela did was he went out under the podium, not just as the president, but as a fan, he had the green springbox cap in Jersey, and he used it

1:29.2

as a way to make a statement that we're one team, we're one country now, and he took a symbol

1:34.5

of oppression and used it as a symbol of togetherness.

1:38.1

The president to the captain.

1:40.3

The spring box team captain, Francois Pinar, remembers the moment Madiba walked into the team's locker room.

1:46.9

It was before the finals against New Zealand.

1:49.5

He said, good luck, boys, and he turned around.

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