Ground Assault or Diplomacy? - with Nadav Eyal and Fred Kagan
Call Me Back - with Dan Senor
Ark Media
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🗓️ 30 March 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | As events accelerate in the Middle East, the team here at Arc Media is increasing our coverage, |
| 0:05.5 | more conversations, more context, more time spent trying to help make sense of what's happening. |
| 0:11.5 | Our Inside Call Me Back subscribers help make this expanded coverage possible. |
| 0:16.5 | It helps us be here when it matters most. |
| 0:19.2 | This week, we published the second part of a three-part series |
| 0:22.7 | with Ronan Bergman. It's called Inside Mossad's Shadow War with Iran, which includes some of the most |
| 0:29.6 | dramatic and dazzling operations in the world of espionage. It's also, quite simply, a riveting spy story |
| 0:36.5 | that has largely been kept out of public view. |
| 0:39.7 | If you're not yet an inside Call Me Back subscriber, this is an important time to join us. |
| 0:44.8 | To subscribe, you can follow the link in our show notes or visit arcmedia.org. |
| 0:50.6 | And to our insiders, thank you. |
| 0:57.0 | You are listening to an art media podcast. |
| 1:01.0 | The Iranians think that they're winning the war. |
| 1:03.0 | This is not a PR campaign or stunt. |
| 1:07.0 | They really believe that they're winning this |
| 1:09.0 | in the sense that their goal that is to use Homoos in order to extort the global economy and the rest of the region, this game, as far as they are concerned, is playing out well. |
| 1:22.2 | Now, the problem there is that if they're convinced they're winning, first crisis, they're just going to leave the room |
| 1:27.8 | because they think that they're winning. They don't know what Iran, what the Islamic Republic has lost. |
| 1:34.3 | I think it's likely that they don't understand the scope of what's happened because the |
| 1:38.2 | Iranian internet has been basically shut down completely. That interferes with their own ability |
| 1:43.1 | to understand what's going on. |
| 1:44.8 | So their perception of how they're doing is very heavily colored by their ideology. |
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