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🗓️ 11 July 2025
⏱️ 91 minutes
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(0:00) The Besties welcome Travis Kalanick and Keith Rabois!
(3:02) Travis on Pony.ai / Uber rumors and the state of Cloud Kitchens
(18:51) xAI launches Grok 4, learning "The Bitter Lesson" in AI
(40:36) How Grok can catch ChatGPT in usage, OpenAI's product excellence
(46:27) Perplexity and OpenAI building AI-native browsers and taking on Chrome
(58:01) Elon's "America Party": is now the right time for a third party, and could he make an impact in 2026?
(1:13:12) SCOTUS backs Trump over federal government RIF plans
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/26/technology/uber-travis-kalanick-self-driving-car-deal.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW5fJikPmfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wTA90BYo30
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/08/elon-musk-agrees-that-weve-exhausted-ai-training-data
https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/1943166841150644622
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1943192643439337753
http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html
https://x.com/chamath/status/1943177837956968499
https://techcrunch.com/2025/07/09/perplexity-launches-comet-an-ai-powered-web-browser
https://x.com/perplexity_ai/status/1942969263305671143
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1941584569523732930
https://polymarket.com/event/will-elon-register-the-america-party-by
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/presidential-approval/highslows
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651278/support-third-political-party-dips.aspx
https://www.afge.org/article/summary-of-afge-lawsuits-against-trump--how-litigation-works
https://cei.org/publication/10kc-2025-numbers-of-rules
https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/american-manhunt-osama-bin-laden-release-date-news
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0:00.0 | I have a very funny story to tell you, Jason. |
0:02.3 | Where have you been? |
0:03.1 | I've been trying to text you. |
0:04.2 | You've been offline. |
0:05.0 | What's going on? |
0:05.6 | Where have you been? |
0:06.5 | I've been working feverishly, but yesterday I had to go to prepare for some meetings that I have |
0:14.3 | on Sunday, which I can't tell you about. |
0:16.5 | But Nat and I went to Pasalakwa, which is in Lake Como, which is an in, I mean, it's stunning. |
0:24.9 | The grounds are stunning. |
0:26.5 | The hotel is stunning. |
0:27.6 | If you have a chance to go to Lake Como, anyways, this is us at Pasolakwa. |
0:32.7 | Who's the beautiful woman there? |
0:34.1 | Is that the woman who owns it or something? |
0:36.2 | Is that the queen? |
0:36.7 | No, that's not. |
0:39.9 | But the best part is we had such a good time. |
0:42.7 | You know how they have like a registry book to leave a message? |
0:43.3 | Sure. |
0:44.9 | So I left a message. |
0:47.2 | Here we go. |
0:53.1 | What a truly magnificent place above and beyond any expectation we had. |
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