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Grit and Gumption: The Moth Radio Hour

The Moth

The Moth

Arts, Performing Arts

4.625.6K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

This episode originally aired on December 7th, 2021. In this hour, courage, tenacity, spunk! New opportunities, self-confidence, and parents going the extra mile (or rollercoaster) for their kids. This episode is hosted by Moth Senior Curatorial Producer, Suzanne Rust. The Moth Radio Hour is produced by The Moth and Jay Allison of Atlantic Public Media. Storytellers: Pamela Mitchell learns to put her opinions first.  Javier Morillo and his family hold true to their cultural traditions. David Levy faces his fears for his son.  Annalise Raziq's daughter makes an unexpected wish for her birthday. Podcast # 741 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is the Moth Radio Hour, and I'm Suzanne Rust.

0:16.0

This hour features stories about gumption.

0:19.0

Gumption.

0:20.0

I love that word.

0:21.5

It is variously defined as the intelligence needed to know what to do and courage and strength

0:26.9

of mind.

0:28.1

And that is what our stories today all have in common.

0:30.9

We'll be hearing from a woman who learns that the only person she needs to please is herself,

0:35.1

a young man standing up for who he is, a dad conquering his

0:38.2

fears, and a mother learning a little magical thinking from her daughter. Let's start our tales of

0:43.7

fortitude with Pamela Mitchell, who shared this chapter of her life back in 2003 in New York City.

0:49.5

Here's Pamela live at the mall.

0:56.0

In 1964, three weeks before I was born, the Civil Rights Act was passed, and my mother was glad that her daughter would never know a world

1:05.0

where she wouldn't be able to go into a restaurant or a theater or use a bathroom just because she was black.

1:12.9

That same year, my grandparents, who were lifelong Baptists, converted to Catholicism.

1:18.1

They wanted, yes, that's right.

1:22.3

They wanted their younger children and their grandchildren to have access to a better education,

1:28.3

which in their mind meant Catholic, because education was the way to a better life. So I spent 16 years in Catholic

1:34.8

schools. And I was very studious and serious. And in fact, I wanted to become a librarian,

1:41.8

which, you know, in those days, was like being a nun for lay people.

1:45.0

But, you know, thankfully, I came to my senses on that one.

1:50.0

But still, I had a very, very lonely childhood.

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