Hello, everyone and welcome to police off the cuff.

Real crime stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD. You know, we haven't been back to the case

of the Kansas moms in a while. And there has been some new occurrences with this case. And

we remember the Kansas moms, Veronica Butler, Jillian Kelly.

And they met such a horrific, untimely death. But what we're finding out now even makes this case worse.

And you wonder, you know, again, we've covered this a million times and all the

homicides that we cover. What evil allows people to do this? And in this case, five people,

five different people involved in this case, right? And initially it was the, these four you see on the

screen, Tiffany Adams, who is the ringleader, right? Grandma, which I heard she hates to be called,

Tad Cullum, who is her boyfriend, Cole Twombly, and his wife, Cora Swambley. And there's one more, of course,

and that's Paul Grace, who recently was added to this crew of degenerates. I don't know if I

have his picture handy on the screen. Let's see if I do.

But he was added to this, and he's the fifth being charged with murder in the first degree.

And I don't have his picture available.

So we know Paul Greis is the fifth.

But what we're finding out is, you know, a horrific situation about how the bodies were found and where the bodies were found. And that's enough really to just turn your stomach. And so we're

going to get into that. And with me tonight, of course,

I have a special guest, retired NYPD sergeant Mike Geary. And I'm going to introduce him in a

minute, professor at Albertus Magnus, retired NYPD sergeant, an attorney, the man of reason,

low key and all of that.

So folks, hold on to your hats, hold on to your earrings, hold on to your toupee, whatever is connected to your head, because you're about to enter true crime

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