Grief, Guilt & the Gifts We Don’t Expect ft. David Kessler

Khloé in Wonder Land

Khloé Kardashian

Society & Culture

4.5 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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In this deeply moving episode, Khloé is joined by grief expert and author David Kessler for a raw, vulnerable conversation about loss, healing, and the unexpected ways grief shapes who we become. Together, they talk through the layers of sorrow, guilt, and even anger that can surface after losing someone you love. Khloé opens up about losing her father at a young age and the emotional weight she carried for years.

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0:00.0	We're good.
0:05.0	Hi there.
0:07.0	Hi.
0:08.0	I'm excited for this chat.
0:11.0	You were going to be ending so many people just by us having this conversation.
0:15.0	Thank you.
0:17.0	I think we have the illusion that grief is somehow this straight arrow, better, better, better, better,
0:22.7	and it really is just a big best.
0:25.5	What's the goal of grief?
0:27.0	It's to remember with more love than pain in your own time, in your own way.
0:33.0	Grief must be witnessed.
0:34.9	We need to witness without fixing. There is no, let me point out the bride's side,
0:40.6	let me get you to a better place. Let me let you have your experience. And I don't know what
0:46.1	it's like for you, but I'm just going to show up and be with you. One of the things about grief and
0:51.4	loss and breakups and divorce and betrayals and death and everything is
0:55.7	we continue right we survive we're very resilient i always say we're resilient and fragile
1:02.1	none of this is logical it's matters of the heart Hi, everyone.
1:17.3	Chloe in Wonderland is going to be taking a two-week spring break.
1:21.2	New episodes will resume on Wednesday, May 14th.
1:24.8	I'll see you guys then.
1:32.0	Thank you so much for being here. You are the most renowned expert in grief,
1:38.9	and you've written so many books about it. And I'm just so excited to chat with you today.
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