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Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel

Grief Begins With Love With Julia Samuel

Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel

Esther Perel Global Media

Mental Health, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Education, Health & Fitness

4.715.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Psychotherapist and bestselling author Julia Samuel invites us into a profound exploration of the twin forces of love and loss. With warmth and wisdom, she examines how grief reshapes us, how love anchors us, and how the interplay between the two defines the human experience. In a culture that often avoids pain and over-romanticizes connection, she offers a more honest, more tender path: one that honors vulnerability, embraces emotional truth, and helps us find meaning in both sorrow and joy. For more from Julia Samuel go to https://www.juliasamuel.co.uk/ Her books are Grief Works, This Too Shall Pass, and Every Family Has a Story. Julia’s Sub Stack Community is her personal space for meditations, weekly reflections, resources and videos on mental health and emotional well-being, including exclusive community webinars for paid subscribers: https://juliasamuel.substack.com/ Her podcast,Therapy Works, is available at https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/therapy-works/id1646616622 and her instagram is @juliasamuelmbe. This panel was recorded at Esther Perel’s Annual Sessions Live event, entitled Mating in the Metacrisis: Connection, Polarization, and Eroticism in a World on Edge. For more information on the event and how you can watch it now, please go to www.estherperel.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This week, I want to bring something different to you.

0:04.0

We talk about grief in the sessions with couples.

0:08.0

We talk about grief and aliveness in the sessions with the individuals in the Esther callings.

0:14.0

But I wanted to actually have a conversation about grief itself,

0:20.0

about this most complex emotion that can regulate an entire relationship,

0:27.6

especially when it is acute or completely repressed.

0:32.6

And I thought about it because I was hosting a clinical conference actually called Sessions Live on mating in the Metacrisis.

0:44.3

So in this conference, I wanted to go back to the origins of my thinking about the erotic.

0:50.8

And something that is not always so obvious is that so much of my work on

0:55.8

eroticism actually mines itself in my work on grief and loss and trauma. And to have even a more

1:06.4

developed thinking and approach to the subject of grief, I wanted to invite one of the people that I've learned from the most in this area, and that's Julia Samuel, who is a British psychologist who has written a seminal work, actually, called Grief Works, in which she really developed an entire approach of dealing with grief, acknowledging the grief, expressing the grief,

1:30.9

putting the grief aside, if possible at all, to re-engage with life, to experience this yin-yang

1:38.0

between loss and new birth or new experiences. So you'll hear me present some of the origins of my thinking in this conference.

1:49.2

And then I invite Julia Samuel to really bring in that complementary piece.

1:54.4

It's wanting to know that we need to be able to reconnect with creativity,

1:59.9

with playfulness, with imagination,

2:02.1

the essential ingredients of the erotic that help us stay connected to life.

2:07.3

But what Julia is highlighting is that if you don't grief,

2:11.2

you actually cut the lifeline to anything that will then enable you to feel alive again.

2:25.3

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